Talk:Ethnic clashes of Târgu Mureș

POV

This interpretation of events is extremely POV. I am not an expert on the topic but as far as I know the line of events is comparable to that of the muneriads, and the action on part of Hungarians which triggered the violent backlash was a peaceful demonstration for language rights. Please someone more knowledgeable join in the discussion.--Tamas 15:49, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am not more knowledgeable, but I agree that this article includes only some POV, instead of including information on what happened. Bogdan | Talk 16:06, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Romanian -- Mihaila Cofariu -- was beaten and it appears that at first it was thought that he was Hungarian, which sparked the clashes. I can't find many references on the internet. Bogdan | Talk 16:26, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

the original entry contained only the "mainstream Romanian" POV, I added the "ethnic Hungarian" POV. Actually I have a book compiled by ethnic Hungarians on the issue but I don't think it would be accepted as an unbiased source here because of the circumstances. --Tamas 18:28, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Source

Some facts about the events here[1]. Fakirbakir (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

"intoxicated Romanians"? This is a highly biased opinion. Did this lady who wrote the book measure their alchoolemy? Also the text written by you " Romanian villagers despatched by coach and train arrived to the city and savagely attacked the headquarter of the Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania." uses subjective epithets. Raysdiet (talk) 09:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The entire "Events" section is based on the one reference by "this lady" by all definitions of the word, this is POV! And something else, the hungarians should thank Iliescu that he stopped the trains with romanians leaving for Targu Mures from Bucharest, Iasi, Craiova, Cluj, or Constanta... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.43.41.111 (talk) 20:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Time out

Can we please decide how we want this article changed and not simply wait for the protection to expire and the whole edit warring nonsense to begin again. Please say what you want changed, why, and with WP:RSs to back up your proposed change. RashersTierney (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The lead was such a mess so I tried to improve this article and contributed new relevant information.[2] I agree this subject is a sensitive issue but it will be not my fault if the scholars use words like "intoxicated" or "violent".Fakirbakir (talk) 07:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Moreover, we should also mention the role of the Roma people. We know that there were three ethnic groups in the attack and the Roma joined to the Hungarians against Romanians. I have already found two sources about latter prosecutions (you can find them here [3]) and they equally state that only the Roma and the Hungarians were prosecuted (7 or 14 Roma and 2 Hungarians were arrested or sentenced).Fakirbakir (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

In its report 'Since the Revolution - Human Rights in Romania' - March 1991, p15, Helsinki Watch reported on the ethnic background of those arrested and prosecuted, It stated that "The Prosecutor's Office in Tirgu Mures conducted an investigation into the events intended less to get at the truth than to make a few individuals scapegoats for the violence. Helsinki Watch interviewed the Chief Prosecutor for the County of Mures who reported that 31 people were investigated in connection with the events; two were ethnic Romanian, five were ethnic Hungarian and 24 were of Gypsy origin." and "In addition to the 31 mentioned above, between 14 and 18 Gypsies were tried and convicted of various offenses such as possession of weapons and disturbance of the peace. These Gypsies were tried under Decree 153 which was first published on April 13, 1970, and which was directed against those who were "parasites" of the socialist order. After the December 1989 revolution, Decree 153 was identified as an extremely abusive tool of the Ceausescu regime. " RashersTierney (talk) 09:31, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not understand what you want to demonstrate with this quote. Do you suggest adding it to the article? KœrteFa {ταλκ} 20:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps just the first sentence. It can also be used as a source for the ethnic background of those arrested and prosecuted. RashersTierney (talk) 23:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

"Scholary work"

What does exactly a scholary work mean in this context? It is just about being an objective observer of the events. Are there people specialized in being witnesses? Hh2013 (talk) 18:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

What does scholarly work mean? Well, in this case the author (Anamaria Dutceac Segesten) is a researcher, has a PhD in a related field, works at a prestigious university, and published her book with an academic publisher (thus, it was very likely peer-reviewed, etc). Last but not least, she is neither Hungarian nor Romanian. These make her much more reliable than those newspaper articles and tv reports we could cite from Romania or Hungary. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 22:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Anamaria Dutceac Segesten was born in Romania (she wrote articles in Romanian - http://www.acum.tv/articol/10804/). Her specialization (http://www.sol.lu.se/en/person/AnamariaDutceacSegesten) could make her a reliable analyst of the social causes / political situation, but all what she does in the referred text is narrating the events. For narrating the events with accuracy, the main needed attribute is to be a witness, not to have a PhD in Comparative Politics and International Relations. The Romanian television correspondent, which was present in the middle of the action, is more reliable in my opinion. I maintain my position that "intoxicated" is an epithet possibly given without arguments (I doubt that someone measured the alcoholemy of those people). If keeping it, I propose to explicitly attribute the epithet (something like "...described by Anamaria Dutceac Segesten as being "intoxicated"") Hh2013 (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Q

How come there're no mentions of the State Secret Services' involvement. I'm not historian, but apparently it's one of the theories out there... eg. [4]https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/article/RAPORT%20FINAL_%20CADCR.pdf at end of page 623. ?

Csaba.szilveszter (talk) 01:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)